Wake Up With Marci

Did you just innately know that it wasn’t anxiety? You knew that there were more things happening and you were actually trying to find those answers because you knew that answer wasn’t right. If you have an appendicitis, a surgeon will fix you and you will be fixed. But when you have other complex things or more sort of chronic illness, unfortunately, we now have to be the quarterback for our own care. How can you prepare yourself or to even know what doctor to go see? You are my doctor first and foremost. Is there a different specialist that you think I should try to get an answer from? This is Dr. Tracy Chev. She’s a high-risk OBGYn with 25 years of experience in academic medicine. She understands what women actually go through in medical spaces, the frustration, the dismissal, the fear, the confusion. and she’s made it her mission to give women the tools to advocate for themselves. Helping women feel seen, heard, and understood in ways the health care system often fails to do. Point is that any doctor, whatever kind of doctor or practitioner they are, functional medicine, etc., if they can only cure you with the thing that’s on their shelf, with their name on the label, that’s not the answer. Why do you think it’s so hard for women to stand up for themselves? There are probably hundreds of women who have ended a doctor’s appointment saying, “I’m sorry. I know you have to go, but I have one more question.” But I promise you one thing, a man would never do that.

Hello all, and welcome back to Wake Up with Marcy. I’m your host, Marcy Hopkins, and this is the show all about real conversations, raw healing, and waking up to your worth. Today’s episode is one so many of us need. Have you ever walked out of the doctor’s office feeling unheard? Like your symptoms were minimized or worse, dismissed entirely? Well, you’re not alone, and it’s time that we talk about it, and we’re going to learn about that today. Joining me is someone leading that conversation, and that is Dr. Tracy Chavevel, a high-risk OBGYn, Women’s Health Advocate and author of the upcoming book, Labor and Deliverance. And that is coming October 6, 2026. Dr. Chavevel knows what it’s like to be on both sides of the table as a doctor and as a patient who was nearly destroyed by the very system she worked in. Now she uses her own voice to help women reclaim theirs. So, Dr. Tracy, welcome to Wake Up. Thank you. It’s such a pleasure to be here. So happy to be here. Oh my god, what an important conversation we are going to have. And yeah, I’m I’m super excited to start off with your own story. I mean, your doctor and you yourself experience the same thing and Yeah. Can you share with us that what happened for you and how it changed your life? Oh my goodness. Of course. So I am classically trained an academic medicine physician. I always sort of believed that if you were broken or if you were sick, medicine would fix you. And for someone who grew up with a bit of childhood trauma and some separation stuff, that always was like truly the golden gates to me. And medicine had always been something where I felt very able to express healing to my patients, to the people I took care of. I saw true miracles happen. Science can be incredible when it works. And I’d always sort of had allergies and sort of an inflammatory system. and was kind of always chasing down, you know, stomach ache and allergy this and allergy that. And as a people pleaser, which I’m learning is not good for your immune system. And as someone who sort of always trusted that someone would find the answer for me, I was very surprised when about 12 years ago, I started developing really debilitating symptoms that were dismissed as anxiety. You know, I now know that it was probably a perfect storm of early pmenopause, probably a viral illness, maybe a tick bite, but my immune system was so hypervigilant that I started waking up at 4:00 in the morning with terrible sweats, racing heart, nausea. I would get these attacks and they were literally, as a physician, I could describe them as flares. They would last for three weeks. They would acutely start. They would acutely stop. And I went to a million different doctors. And I was trying to, you know, work my job and take care of my two little kids and do all the things and try somehow to keep fighting for myself. And I was dismissed over and over and told it was just anxiety.

Yeah. So, but how did you know? Did you just innately know that it wasn’t anxiety? You knew that there were more things happening and you were actually trying to find those answers because you knew that answer wasn’t right. Yes. I mean the answers that I needed from medicine I got right. My heart was examined for symptoms. My labs were examined and of course you know if your labs are normal everything’s fine, right? But I I knew at a certain point that I needed a doctor house and I knew that that doctor house did not exist. And so I started to explore the world of the functional medicine doctor which led me to the lime doctor which led to a whole host of new ideas. And I realized very quickly that the mainstream medical system was not prepared to act on those answers if they were anywhere outside of the boxes that we draw for ourselves. Yeah. I feel like there is kind of a cookie cutter box. Yeah. Right. And there’s only these certain answers. And I feel that this story is more common today that they can’t discover what is wrong. That’s right. I will say that obviously there are a lot of curses but one of the silver linings of the pandemic is that there because of long COVID there is now a resurgence of interest in treating things that often are very much part of this complex mystery illness symptomatology like for example unexplained nerve pain, brain fog, extreme fatigue, extreme sensitivity to viral illnesses. So that has shed light on conditions such as POTS, which is postural orthostatic tacocardia syndrome, which is likely a variation of what was waking me up at 4:00 in the morning when I would flare. We’re starting to look at concepts of neuroinflammation. All of these things that are a residual of a scientifically validated catastrophic illness has led to a little bit more awareness and acceptance of these kind of terminologies. One of the very common diagnosis now diagnoses that’s being explored for these kind of symptoms is something called mass cell activation syndrome. Okay, which is a an autoimmune allergy condition with a lot of sort of general symptoms, which is hard, right? Because not every chronic complex mystery illness is thing A, B, or C. It’s often a variance. Yeah, but that said that was eventually the diagnosis that I got and I was having episodes of severe neuroinflammation probably from either a viral trigger or a tick bite depending on who you want to believe but medicine wasn’t ready to deal with it at the time. M so I think for for women it is very hard to understand and and just recently there’s been more research done around women’s health right and yes our gynecological health and our our brain health and all of those things right but I believe that so many of these things and the drugs were tested on on men a lot of times. Is is that correct? That is 100% correct. Women were not really included properly in medical trials at all until 1993 and data has come out suggesting strongly that women’s bodies just react differently because we live in a constant hormonal roller coaster. So estrogen, progesterone, cortisol, all of these hormones are linked together. And then you have the whole pmenopause and menopause revolution where obviously pmenopause can be anything. So I had a viewer yesterday ask me on Instagram, “How can I tell if I’m in permenopause or just have a completely broken body?” And that’s honestly the way a lot of women feel. And medicine doesn’t always have answers. And so I propose to women that we start thinking about getting answers in a different way. And part of that part of that is sadly to kind of give up the illusion for the most part. Look, if you have an appendicitis, a surgeon will fix you and you will be fixed, right? But when you have other complex things or more sort of chronic illness or issues, unfortunately, we now have to be the quarterback for our own care. We don’t have to make medical decisions, but we can’t depend on one doctor who has seven minutes to do everything for us anymore.

So, two things. Why do you think it’s so hard for women to to stand up for themselves? And how can we encourage those women to do that? It’s such a good question. I think that women are trained over and over by society to want to be liked, to want to be approved of, to want to be accepted, and ultimately not want to cause trouble. And I know that there are lots of us that are out here that are disruptors and that are happy to cause trouble. But really ultimately we are we follow rules. We follow certain societal rules oftent times and we worry that our doctors won’t like us and we worry that we’re being annoying. And there are probably hundreds of women who have ended a doctor’s appointment saying, “I’m sorry. I know you have to go but I have one more question but I promise you one thing a man would never do that. Never say that. Never. No. So I truly believe and this is such a simple concept but to me the main core value of starting this process is owning our selfworth. Yeah. Well, and that is a process in itself, which is one that I’m a huge proponent of and I have found on my my own through my work. And so, yes, finding our self-worth, our love for ourselves, and you know, like you said, being our own quarterback. I can remember when I was 41 and I thought the world was ending, right? because I had started pmenopause, but I went to my doctor and she was like, “Absolutely not. You’re too young.” And didn’t even do the test, right? And I walked out of there and I’m like, “I know something is happening right now.” And especially with my family’s background. I know my mother started pmenopause early and so on. Just because in our heads like we’re told, oh, it happens at 50. No. Uh I mean even for some it can happen in your late 30s. It’s crazy. Yes. Right.

So let’s let’s talk about how we can prepare ourselves before we even go into the doctor’s office. I love that question. So [snorts] much of this is about preparation before and it’s about coming in as an informed participant. So if [snorts] your doctor meets you with a dismissive answer or something that feels dismissive or they can’t figure it out, you can say to them,”I know that you want to help me. I know that we’re partners in this together. If you can’t help me, who can?” So before you go to the doctor’s office, it is super important to do a few things. Number one to I always say you should have a medical notebook for every single section of whatever different doctor you see. And before you go to the doctor, you should write down in a notebook. I like to say before you go, if not, do it in the parking lot, but just do it. Yeah, do it on your phone. But write down a list of questions that you have. If you are going for a wellness checkup, let’s say you’re going to your yearly doctor visit, you can make a list of what milestones is it important for me to have checked this year? What screening tests are we coming up on? What health and wellness recommendations do you have for me going into this next year? And write down the answers. And love those questions. Thank you. Yeah, of course. and all and also if you have symptoms that you want explained, one of the other ways to sort of get the most out of your seven minutes is to spend some time thinking about the symptoms you’re going to be asking about. I advise not using Google to look up symptoms because you always either have cancer or you’re dying. Like that that those are the only two outcomes on Google, right? But if you have symptoms, you can go to, and this is on my Instagram too, you can go to medical journals, medical sites, medical search engines like PubMed, or you can go to a medical site like Medline Plus and you can put in symptoms and you will see things come up and you can actually use and I think this is going to become a huge benefit. Actually, we’re not scared of it if we use it well. If you take those medical words that you don’t understand and you put it into an AI platform and you say, “Explain this to me like I’m in 12th grade.” Yeah. And I’m going to the doctor. What questions should I be asking? Yes. I was going to ask you, I mean, what about what about chat GPT? Could that help to prepare us? Yes. I think that using chat GPT as a doctor is not a good idea. Yeah, I think that you know getting plans getting but where its value is above and beyond tremendous for empowering us as medical beings and to understand the language is it allows us to speak the doctor’s language and it allows us to understand all the words they’re using. It allows us to understand the wording for a particular question that a doctor will understand but a patient may not. Right? So, that’s really, really helpful. And also, it’s a nice way to go in making track of your symptoms. If you’re someone who tracks symptoms and you’re having an unexplained problem, you can literally take a picture of those symptoms and you can ask for a chart or a print out. So, it’s a nice way to organize your thoughts and prepare with your best questions as well as understand whatever you want to understand going in.

What if you’re feeling rushed by the doctor or you’re not happy with the answers you’re getting? It’s a great question. You’re always rushed by the doctor. I mean, I hate to say it, but you’re you’re always rushed. There are a few things. First, you can always end the visit by saying, “I know you have to go. I understand you have a lot of patients. Is there someone else in your office who could help finish explaining this to me? Do you have a medical assistant, a nurse that’s available? Do you have handout materials, educational materials? So, you can make sure that they understand this conversation needs to continue even if you can’t have that appointment. And oftentimes there are people in the office who will do that education. And then the other thing you can always say is if you can’t figure this out for me, I understand not everybody knows all the answers, but this needs more investigation. Who can you recommend that I go see instead? You don’t think that would hurt somebody’s ego? Who cares? It’s not about Well, this and this is again where I think the listen to me, right? Oh my god, I’m gonna hurt his ego, right? But this is again where this the the concept of saying to someone, you’re my doctor. I know you want to take good care of me. Not everybody knows the answers all the time. If you don’t know the answer, it’s okay, but I want to work with you on finding that answer together. What do you think I should do next? And that’s a good doctor. That’s a good doctor that that will take that next step and help you to find that person. That’s right. And if they can’t, at least they understand their job’s not done. And that’s so important. I will tell you, one of the other things that comes up a lot is the comment, you know, it’s just anxiety. This sounds a lot like anxiety. And I have two sort of catchphrases that I love. And again, this involves being confident enough to say them, but it is totally appropriate to say the anxiety I have is from not having a diagnosis. That’s a good one. Yeah, that doesn’t feel that doesn’t feel like I don’t know that you’re you’re putting anyone down in any way. You know what I mean? Like or I know better than you. Yeah, that’s right. Anxiety is enough. There should be a good landing on that one. Yeah, that’s exactly right. And if you have a doctor who’s insisting visit after visit that you just have anxiety and you’re really getting nowhere and you’re frustrated, you can always use this even if it’s not true. This is your doctor’s little white lie prescription. You can say, “Well, I’m in therapy. My therapist thinks my anxiety is actually well controlled.” So, I think that this is a physiologic issue that we’ve got to try to fix. M another great one. Another great one because there’s really no response to that, right? No. I mean, absolutely not. And if the doctor is saying it’s anxiety and you don’t know, do you maybe take that path for a little bit, but then you’re seeing that nothing is changing and that’s when you can realize like, no, this is something more.

That’s such a great question. So I think that it is critically important as part of this mission of quarterbacking for women that we understand that our physical health is always directly impacted by our emotional health. We all know about the book the body keeps the score. We all know that our traumas from childhood can manifest later in life. We know that children who grow up in a volatile environment, who have what’s called a high ACES score, adverse childhood event score, are at double the risk of chronic obesity, of hypertension, of stroke, of all kinds of diseases. But no single doctor takes an ACES inventory. So what I always talk about is that if you have anxiety, if you have emotional struggles, it is crucially important if it’s something that you can afford. And even if you can’t, there’s lots of other resources to explore the possibility of what emotional things you have going on that are also impacting and exacerbating your physical symptoms. I think that working with a therapist, I think especially with complex mystery illness and all of the social fallout that that, you know, causes in life and also chronic illness, just being unwell, having, you know, Crohn’s disease or diabetes or all of the things that can impact our lives, those all bring up social challenges and emotional challenges that if we can work on in a trusted, safe environment, Yeah. We will not get well without that. And women also have a spiritual life that they have to pay attention to because that’s ultimately how we really heal. Yes. 100%. I mean, for me, when I started perry menopause, which I now recognize, I’m 56 now, 10 years sober, and I understand now what was happening at that time for me. I had so much trauma. I was using alcohol to cope with my life. just it was a normal thing for me. But once that perry menopause happened for me and I felt like my world was falling apart, I started drinking more. Mhm. And uh that so that’s another thing to look at because I know that’s a way that that we can can cope when things don’t we feel like it’s going to calm us in some way but it only makes it worse. And and then going back to the root like you’re saying I mean there’s there’s something deeper that you have to work on right from your right. So you know take a look at that and our and our bodies you know do take score and so many of the things that are happening in our current life I mean our bodies react to that and I know you know all this. I’m just saying it’s it’s just so true. Like you can have these physical things that are happening even a even eczema and that’s just a result of of the stress in your body telling you that something’s not right in your life. Right. That’s right. Right. So I mean you also bring up an interesting point. You mentioned eczema. This is a perfect example. If you look at autoimmune illness, 80% of cases of autoimmune illness occur in women. And if you look at certain personality types, you know, there’s a lot of these jokey memes on the internet. If you were in the gifted and talented program in high school and you had a little bit of ADD, how’s your, you know, autoimmune disease going? How’s your chronic fatigue going? It’s true. There’s a particular personality type in medicine I see over and over again. And that’s not to blame. That’s to suggest that there are people who have certain patterns of programming that can really make you sick. And that’s not to place blame. You’re not responsible for causing your autoimmune illness, but perhaps it’s a key to helping you get better. I often say, right, I often say for people who have eventually wind up with a diagnosis of autoimmune disease, one of the main vitamins, supplements, etc. that are critically important to being as well as you can be are boundaries, is saying no, is taking time to rest. These things are crucially important. I say it all the time like creating those health healthy boundaries but right when you have trauma of some sort in the past or abandonment I mean you are a people pleaser a perfectionist you’re looking for validation from others you don’t know how to take care of yourself and self-care is priority rest is priority and I’m telling you like I’m just releasing a book myself and that’s I I feel like I say it over and over again in my book that that do not feel guilty about taking that 30 minutes and taking a rest or meditation, right? It’s totally and we do we are the first people I also first of all congratulations on your book. Thank you. That’s so exciting. But I always say you really should treat yourself as if you were another whether you have one kid, two kids, three kids, treat yourself like you would treat your child. Yeah. If if we treated ourselves the way we treat our children, I mean, I think we’d be so much healthier. We just don’t, right? Whether we like it or we don’t like it, in many cases, women are doing everything. You know, women physicians over the course of their careers earn $2 million less than their male counterparts in the same exact job. And why is that? I don’t know why. But you know what? But those moms are also doing another job while they’re doing that job. They’re scheduling the playdates and the car pools and everything else and maybe dinner half the time. And that’s not okay. It’s not okay. That’s another thing I say. Ask for help without guilt. It’s something that we have to learn to do.

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Welcome back. Thank you guys. Uh this has been an amazing conversation so far. So, Dr. Tracy, let’s talk about your book, Labor and Deliverance. So, first of all, tell us about that title. So, I always joke that my career choice definitively chose me. I think that there were a million in one reasons why I almost did not become an OBGYn. And again, I think that it was just something that I was steered toward for a much bigger reason. And so it’s it’s really it’s a play on words in a lot of ways, but really where it started and where it came from was I realized that through I had and have and always will have a huge mother wound. And that’s led to a lot of feelings of lack of safety and you know lack of strength as a woman that I’ve had to really find and rebuild myself. And it’s through working with women, becoming mothers, growing babies, you know, through this process of being present at all of these miraculous things that women are capable of. I mean, we make life, right? We can grow humans and then feed humans. Ultimately, it was this process that through my work, I put in the work, I labored and found deliverance. And it was through a process of really stepping into the power of women and what women are capable of. It’s that power that I saw every day that allowed me to fight for myself, that allowed me to approach emotional healing, spiritual healing. And so, it’s really a complex interplay of this sort of love language between what women do, not just labor and delivery, but it really is a deliverance of sorts. And it takes a lot of work to be well, and it takes a lot of work to overcome life circumstances, and it takes a lot of work to deliver a baby.

So, what like I I love that and thank you for explaining that and you’ve explained a lot about the book, but what do you really hope that the readers take away from it? Oh my god. Well, the book is nine stories of truly some of the most heroic women I’ve had the gift of working with. Amazing. Yeah. Who have gone through terrible tragedies, tremendous triumphs. Um, and it’s really a love letter to those women and all the women that I’ve cared for. Um, and it’s also a vehicle not just in those stories, but in the braid of my own journey with my own wellness to help people feel seen. I think that women need to feel seen. They need to feel understood. And it’s only then that maybe they can believe that better is possible for them, too. So that if they’re struggling with infertility or they’re struggling that they just had a loss or they’re struggling with the things we all struggle with as women, the loss of a parent, you know, the the struggles through menopause and the reinvention of identity, it’s really for people to feel seen and to help them heal. Yeah. It’s a way for me to reach people on a far greater scale hopefully than I’m able to do in an office. Mhm. I think it’s amazing and you’re touching on so many layers that women I I don’t want to say need to face, but it’s so important to face, right? like totally you you have to make that decision on your own. But what you’re sharing is there’s just there’s the all these layers and it starts from when we’re so young and the programming and who we show up as an adult and how we can change that we can recreate our own story and that our past doesn’t define us and that you are a priority. We’re taught especially as older well women midlife you know that we come from a generation that we were taught to take care of everyone else and we didn’t you know at this point we we see it out there jenzers and and such they they are learning to take care of themselves and be more open about it but we’re still of the generation that you take care of everyone and it’s selfish to take care of yourself and we weren’t taught how to do that. So, it’s like now we’re we’re getting of an age that we’re like, “Okay, wait a minute. I do count. I do count.” That’s right. And I do think also, you know, you mentioned that one of the gifts for me being an OBGYn is taking care of women throughout their reproductive careers. Right. So, I have a lot of people who I engage with often who are dealing with menopause, per menopause. And this concept of having an opportunity to reinvent yourself. It’s not the end of an era where you’re not sexy, you’re not pretty cuz you can’t have kids anymore. Like you’re actually stepping into an era where you can find out what makes you light up and we should be embracing it instead of being afraid of it because it really can be like the me part of your life and it can be a really exciting time. Yeah. I think we just have to be okay with that, right? Yeah. Yeah. It’s scary, right? It’s scary when you know change is scary and all you’ve known is maybe raising your family. Uh but it is exciting to to reinvent yourself and find the things that light you up or remember not find but remember the things that light you up. And you are a perfect example Dr. Tracy, like I’m sure you have a lot of women that look up to you and look see what you have done in life and and almost feel like well I can’t do that right but you don’t have to you are normalizing the fact that you’ve been through it totally you’ve had to rebuild totally you’ve had to do all of the things and you you even had to stand up for yourself and find out what was going on with yourself when you were going through all this these medical issues. So, so many lessons that you are teaching and inspiring others to learn for themselves. Nice. Thank you. Yeah. Doing really incredible work.

So, where do you find that you are getting your message out the most? So right now I have a it’s amazing how social media has become a calling card but I am on Instagram every single day posting stories. I answer questions as much as I can. Um I try to do a lot of podcasts because it’s a great way to reach people. So this has been wonderful. Um and then my book is coming out in October. So, I really it’s important to me to try to speak out in places where the message can be heard because ultimately it’s not a message for me, it’s a message for everyone else and it’s so important. Yeah, I love that. And so, can you just for any lady that’s out there right now? Yeah. going starting maybe perry menopause or wondering if this is happening like what would you say to them and what could they do to advocate for themselves? It’s a great question. First of all, I think symptom tracking is really freaking annoying. I’m just going to say it. I did it. It was depressing and annoying, but it’s really important in pmenopause because it’s not the the most important thing to realize about permenopause is it cannot be defined on one blood test. Mhm. the way that your hormones work, things cycle. So, the first thing to do is if you think you’re having symptoms of pmenopause, you should ask your OB/GYN if they treat a lot of people who are in menopause because even within the field, we are not trained. That’s going to change. It’s changing rapidly now, but we weren’t trained in how to take care of menopause. You know, we put women on the pill in permenopause and that was that. That’s not the right answer. So I would say strongly that it is okay to be a consumer meaning if your doctor doesn’t feel comfortable and doesn’t list let’s say on when you do a search for a doctor and you look them up there are areas where they list their special areas of expertise. So, if they say to you, you know, I do some HRT, sure, um, that may not be enough for you. That may be a time where you go to a different doctor who has, you know, a special interest listed in menopause care. And also, if they can’t find it from their OB, don’t be disappointed. Don’t give up. That’s not your only answer. There’s a few really spectacular tele medicine companies now where they have doctors who this is all they do. Alloy is one. Midi Health is one. I mean there you go online and look up tellaalth menopause care it’s it’s everywhere and so that’s really the most important thing you can do is make sure and give your doctor an out if they’re not comfortable because if they’re not they’re not going to do the right thing for you and then the misinformation will continue.

What’s the final way that you can help someone to build that confidence when they start to to search what is happening to them? And again like three main questions if you have that three main questions that we can arm ourselves with. Do you mean in general for medicine or if you have like just in general for anytime you approach just in general like if you because it’s such a wide scope right like but if you are a female and you are starting to have let’s say the anxiety some gut issues maybe fatigue right so you don’t even know what’s happening but how can you prepare yourself or to even know what doctor to go see. So, the the way to always begin is with a primary care doctor. And I say to women, and a lot of women don’t like to go to an OB/GYN every year because if you’re not getting a papsmear, what am I going for? But the way to truly try to curate some format of concierge care that’s taken that covers that’s covered by insurance is to go to the same doctor every year to even when you’re 23. If we start seeing a primary care doctor and an OBGYn every single year for a checkup, we are going to have someone who knows us. And that is so invaluable. And that’s what we used to have, right? the family practitioner who took care of of generations. So that’s honestly this is a bigger picture issue, but it’s the most important thing you can do because that doctor may notice then when you’re off or things start to change. So start as young as you can every single year. The first question that I would always be prepared to ask is if you don’t have an answer for me, where can I learn more about what I’m experiencing? The second question is really important. You’re my doctor first and foremost. Is there a different specialist that you think I should try to get an answer from? For example, a GI doctor. If you’re having GI symptoms as your primary concern, speak up for yourself. And then again, use informatics online to help prepare you for your specific symptoms so that you can also then ask specific questions such as, “Is there a blood test that could rule out X, Y, and Z?” The three things that keep you up at night. How do you know I don’t have X, Y, or Z? Because ultimately, that’s really what we’re all worried about. We want answers, but we also want reassurance. So, those are kind of the three. Thank you. You have you have anxiety because I don’t have the answer. That’s right. No, it’s true. It’s true. Of course. Right. Who wouldn’t have anxiety? And how do you feel about eastern versus western medicine? Or do you believe in a combination of both? I believe in a combination. I do. I think that any doctor whether they and this is a really I’m glad you brought that up because this is a really important point. I think that we people immediately write off, you know, a lot of functional medicine doctors or channels or psychics as quacks. There are quacks in every field of medicine. In every there are therapists who are quacks. There are psychics who are quacks. I mean, it it’s, you know, we all know, we’ve all been okay seeing a bad doctor. So, I do believe that there is real value in functional and holistic medicine approach, integrative medicine. There’s a little bit more time they spend. My only point is that any doctor, whatever kind of doctor or practitioner they are, functional medicine, etc., if they can only cure you with the thing that’s on their shelf, with their name on the label, that’s not the answer. So, I am a huge huge fan of I mean, I’ve done a ton of things that people call woo woo, and I do it on a regular basis. I work with a channel. I I mean, and people want to talk about this. Women want to talk about this. We have to normalize it. So, I am Yeah. I think anything we do that makes us feel good, we should be open to trying. That’s not dangerous and doesn’t counteract with other medications.

I love that so much. Dr. Tracy, I just want to thank you so much for being here and for you sharing your story, your strength, and your commitment to women’s health because it’s so needed. And I know I know that this show is going to help so many. So to everyone at home, if you’ve ever felt dismissed or unheard in your hair healthc care journey, I want you to know that you’re not imagining it and you’re not broken and you deserve to be heard, respected, and cared for. Yeah. And beautiful. Yeah. So again, if you’re beginning your journey into sobriety or supporting someone who is, I hope you’ll check out my book, Wake Up You’re Not Broken, What to Expect: The First 30 Days of Sobriety, now available for pre-sale on Amazon. And the book comes out January 5th. And I wrote it to walk with you in those tender early days that are so raw, honest, but full of hope. And I want you to know that I am a hand to hold during that process. And if this episode resonated with you, please like, comment, subscribe, and share it with a woman who needs to hear this message. And please find Dr. Tracy. Dr. Tracy, tell us on Instagram. Where are you? Tracy Chavevel MD with an at sign before it. That’s it. I have I have watched some of your your content and it’s fantastic. So, thank you so much. My pleasure. Yes. So much. And just remember, we release a new episode every Thursday right here on Wake Up with Marcy. Until then, remember this. You are worthy. You are powerful. And you are not broken. And I’ll see you guys next week. And thank you again, Dr. Tracy. Thank you so much, Marcy. Such a pleasure. Nice to meet you. Fantastic. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye.